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Jen: A couple of days ago we discussed ICED: How the feck we felt. After giving everyone some time to read the book and speculate we also want to talk about what we think. Anyone who has read the Fever series spent several years of their lives questioning up from down and left from right. Now Ms. Moning has done it again. I will have to say that I turned the final pages of Iced and sat back very satisfied with the book. I was happy with how it was playing out. And then I thought for a minute, and a minute longer, and that minute turned into a day and that with that day came speculation from others as well. So now here we are and we must discuss what happened and our theories. We want to know who Dani’s HEA is and how/why you think it will be like that!
Sophia: I want to be very clear here. We desperately want Ryodan to be Dani’s HEA. We’re romance readers and that’s how it works right? He’s mysterious, Alpha and fuck-off scary. And sexy, don’t forget sexy. He has to be the HEA. But, right after I finished ICED I was immediately struck with this thought: He’s NOT the love interest!! And my mind started reeling back, thinking about everything that happened and how Ryodan’s behavior could be construed as either simply protective, the way a brother would protect a sister, or romantically/sexually. It’s been driving me crazy ever since. So YOU need to tell us why Ryodan is, or why he is not Dani’s HEA.
Here is what we know…or don’t know:
Why Ryodan IS the HEA
He is Ryodan. Duh. He is to Dani what Barrons was to Mac. Right? How can the biggest bad of the book not be the HEA? Is this just wishful thinking on our part?
Back in Dreamfever, we get these quotes from Ryodan. They are when he is talking to Mac.
“Never seen anything like her, and I‘ve seen a lot.”
“Eternal life breeds eternal patience. If you lived long enough, you might feel that if today amuses, today is good.”
“Does today amuse, Ryodan?”
His lips curved. He looked back at Dani and, after a moment, nodded.
“It does. More than it has in recent … years.”
“Time will remedy that.”
The problem is most any quote we’ve picked out here to show that Ryodan IS Dani’s HEA, could also be interpreted from a different angle. Re-read the quotes as if Ryodan is simply interested in Dani because she has similar abilities to him and he wants to mold her, and teach her. Be her mentor? With Karen Marie Moning at the helm, you just never know.
“The more excited I get, the more I vibrate.”
“Now there’s a thought,” Lor says.
“If you mean what I think you mean, you want to shut the fuck up and never think it again,” Ryodan says.”
This could be jealously on Ryodan’s part, or could it be protective as a brother or uncle.
“Patience and persistence aren’t mutually exclusive. You have no idea how patient I am. When I want something.”
Again, he could want Dani romantically, or he has plans for her and her abilities.
“No one but me is ever going to teach you, Dani.”
He touches me before I see it coming, has his hand under my chin, turning my face up. My shiver is instant and uncontrollable.
“That’s non-negotiable. You signed a contract with me that grants exclusivity. You won’t like it if you try to break it.”
Poor Dani. She’s 14 yet so beyond 14. She’s conflicted and doesn’t understand what she feels about Ryodan.
From Karen Marie Moning:
Q. Dani is 14, but not a regular 14. We’re you ever like I better pull back?
A. Never. And if I do I’ll push past that… Just keep the faith.
I know that when he has sex he laughs like the world is a perfect place. And when he did that, my hands curled into fists because I thought about touching his face like maybe I could catch joy in my hands and hold it.
My mind flashes straight back to level four and I see him behind that woman again and he groans like he did that night, then he laughs, and I feel almost sick to my stomach remembering. I don’t know what’s wrong with me. I wish I’d never fecking gone down to level four!
Why Ryodan is NOT Dani’s HEA
Jo. Ok, so logically we know that Ryo is not going to wait for Dani to come of age but why Jo? What is he playing at? Dani is too young for anything sexual but why does it seem he is rubbing Jo in her face? Jo is way too lame for Ryodan so why? Ryodan is epic, Jo is not. When Dani came back smelling like Christian, Ryodan about blew a fuse but he can flaunt his woman in front of her? There has to be something else here. Ryodan and Jo had their “month” when Dani was in Faery with Christian so it isn’t about making Dani jealous.
When Dani confronted her about sleeping with Ryodan she was very reluctant to discuss it or stamp out the discussion. She seemed conflicted. Instead of telling Dani to butt out and sticking to that, she kept saying things like, “It’s complicated.” Is there isn’t more to this coupling? More than just convenient sex. Ryodan has his pick of any woman in his club at any time and is he keeping Jo close for a reason?
Ryodan and his men don’t let anyone into their business. In the scene where they destroy the IFP there was no reason for Jo to be there. Yet Ryodan allowed her to stay and even acted protective of her. Again, why? Jen points out that we see this from Dani’s point of view so perhaps he is not being protective? It’s the way Dani perceives it? But again, why is she there?
Is Ryodan somehow related to Dani? Or does he feel some sort of kinship toward her? For all the references to Dani and Ryodan very few of them have a sexual slant coming from Ryodan’s perspective. ←-Important? There is talk about the woman she will become but that could be as a proud relation not necessarily as a lover.
From the Iced Q&A with Ms. Moning we know he isn’t her father, or at least she says this:
Q. Will we learn anything about Dani’s father?
Hopefully there is no gray area there.
Why wouldn’t the nine demand that Dani be killed for knowing about them being immortal? Everyone wanted to kill Mac as soon as she found out and nobody blinks when Dani knows. And yet when she mentions something in front of Jo, Ryodan freeze frames her away to shut her up and warns Dani that Jo will be killed if she knows.
Because what he showed me is that he sees the same things in her I do. He knows she’s worth waiting for. And when it’s time, he intends to be the one. That’s why he’s keeping her close.
This quote is as close we get to there being a future between Ryodan and Dani. But this is Christian speaking and we all know that he is coo-coo for cocoa puffs at that point. Because we don’t get Ryodan’s POV we have no idea what is going on in his head.
Why do we not know what Ryodan looks like? Dani comments about him standing in the shadows multiple times or always with the light behind him. All we know for sure is that he has very clear eyes. When Barrons was our hero (or whatever you want to call him) we had a very clear description of what he looked like. Maybe that is because he was seen through Mac’s eyes and it was sexual? But it strikes me as odd that we do not have a clear picture of what Ryodan’s physical features are, if he is to be our HEA.
Why Christian could be the HEA
Yes, he is crazy and getting crazier as the days go by. But….
Just one time before I turn into the villain of this piece, just one time before I become the fourth and final Unseelie prince, I want to be her Highlander. And her hero.
What is his purpose in this book if it isn’t tied to the HEA? V’lane/Cruce was our bad guy in Fever and he was the dirty Fae. Can Ms. Moning really have the bad guy being Fae again? Especially when Christian was beloved to us before this.
Wouldn’t Dani be pri-ya if she sexed it up with Christian? — No, because she is Mega. She is a super-hero?
Why Christian could NOT be the HEA
He is crazy. He kills people with his peen. Wouldn’t she be pri-ya if she sexed it up with Christian? The dead lady was a little disturbing but hysterical.
“I’m not going anywhere until you’re safe,” Christian says to me, real quiet.
“Isn’t that quaint. The chivalrous Unseelie prince with the dick of death,” Ryodan mocks.
When Christian goes off into coo-coo land he starts to sound like the Unseelie King talking about his concubine.
I want to lock her up somewhere I can keep her safe forever. Someplace white and shining and beautiful, where nothing ever goes wrong.
I can’t stand the thought of her dying. If I knew how, I would make her Fae so she would never die. Doesn’t matter that I hate being it myself, or that she would, too. Immortality is immortality.
Is the Unseelie King at work here? This could explain some of Christian’s insanity and obsession with Dani. Christian couldn’t be the HEA then right?
Also, he isn’t Ryodan.
Why Dancer Could be the HEA
Dani is most comfortable with Dancer. He is a friend to her. She is repeatedly saying how things aren’t “like that” with them but I think Dancer wants them like that. He could sneak up on her.
“He closes his hand around mine and I hold on. I like his hand. It’s big and holds easy but sure. It’s the kind of hold that says, I got you if you want me, but I’ll let you go if you feel like running for a while.”
Dancer is closest in age to Dani. There have been many questions about this book being YA. IMO, it would suck as YA but it is possible for Dani’s HEA to be YA. Dancer would be a way for Ms. Moning to make it be a little safer?
Why Dancer is NOT the HEA
We know virtually nothing about Dancer. He is obviously not as innocuous as he seems. But who or what is he? Until we get more info, we just don’t know. Basically all we know is this:
He survived the fall of the wall on his own with no special abilities outside of being super smart. He continues to survive in very dangerous world, with no known special abilities.
Why did he just happen upon the scene when Dani nearly froze to death and he saved her life? Ryodan was there because he took Dani there. Christian? He was there because he a crazy-ass stalker. But why did Dancer happen to be there of all places in Dublin? Suspicious.
Also, he isn’t Ryodan.
So these are the three contenders for Dani’s HEA. But who knows? Maybe KMM will blow us out of the water and the HEA will be Lor? LOL
Time to discuss.
Who is Dani’s HEA and why?
There is so much to discuss in this book so if you have other theories throw them out there.